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Offline 2112

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2012, 03:29:36 PM »
I just saw an Orange Krate "survivor" what was so off the chart perfect I could not believe how nice it was. It was not for sale and the owner told the story of buying from an original owner who stored it inside after the boy grew 8 inches one year.

I believe him, but there really is no proof. Like I mentioned, some older restos look like real survivors too.

I thought I read of a technique of leaving some original paint in an agreed spot (under the front Nameplate?) to at least show the bike was indeed a krate since paint seems to be the only real determining factor. Then again, I grew up with a "Pea Picker Green" stingray though I think it was a 68' which is too early for the PP.

It is definitely getting hard. I think it may be possible that without a true provenance, everything is suspect.

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2012, 05:15:53 PM »
Most of those bikes with older restos have original parts, maybe not to the bike itself but the parts are legit and not reproduction...
I never thought of it like that but that's a very valid point.
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2012, 05:25:00 PM »
Yah the headbasge is where most people will save paint. It's the smartest place as it's hidden and it still shows the bike had a life as that color prior to being painted. This is extremely important when talking about a Ghost or Cotton since they didn't make (or atleast I don't recall them making) regular stingrays in Silver Mist and White Enamel...
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-1962 Schwinn Corvette 5 Speed
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-1969 Schwinn "Orange Krate"
-1969 Schwinn "Lemon Peeler"
-1971 Schwinn "Grey Ghost"
-1971 Schwinn "Apple Krate"
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2012, 06:43:27 PM »
You all are correct, a lot of people get a bike fix it up and flip it, claiming that it's the "real deal" when we all know better ;)
Some also buy a bike and then get informed that they've been had and try to resell it to someone like themselves for even more money.
There's a beautiful "looking" Lemon Peeler on the BAY right now that has been restored and if you know your Krate years,
there are some critical things missing for that year bike.  I've seen too many original Krates with repop forks rims and the like, which are
OK if you just want a nice looking ride, but why pay the premium for something that's not the real deal. In this day and age it's buyer beware and PLEASE
do your homework prior to a purchase, it's for your own good.

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2012, 06:59:47 PM »

There's a beautiful "looking" Lemon Peeler on the BAY right now that has been restored and if you know your Krate years,
there are some critical things missing for that year bike.  
Tony

That bike is sweet, They aren't claiming "survivor", what is missing? Is it too late in 68' For no front fender?   ???
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2012, 08:21:26 PM »
By Krateness:
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If I had to buy a restored bicycle
I understand what you are saying, but why would you ever have to buy a bike ?
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 09:50:15 PM »
The 68's came with a POGO seat post, missing from that bike for one.
The bow pedals were scrapped up on the ends so the cross and stars are not visible (original, but not restored).
Brake levers for the Lemon had Gold colored pins the Orange Krates and Apples had Red.
So there are little things that can make or break what is and what is not a "real" restoration or original, just be sure
that what you want is what you get.  Not to say that the year dated items might be correct, just not exact for the ride.
Tire at least in the rear is incorrect with raised white letter tire, should be gripper slik or black wall slick or yellow line slik/gripper.
See photo original paint 68 Krate with dealer added front fender as 68's didn't come with them.
Notice brake levers and seat post and yellow line tire.

Tony
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 10:33:54 PM »
I was told the POGO seat posts were actually recalled by Schwinn so many bikes that had them had them removed by the dealers?

Are the brake handle Pins easy to swap out (if available)? What is the correct application for the Raised white letter Tires?

Edit, The picture you posted is a bit too small for my middle aged eyes to make out the Pogo post that clearly.   ::)
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2012, 11:00:15 PM »
lol well if someone had a gun to my head and I didn't have a choice.
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-1962 Schwinn Corvette 5 Speed
-1968 Schwinn "Apple Krate"
-1969 Schwinn "Orange Krate"
-1969 Schwinn "Lemon Peeler"
-1971 Schwinn "Grey Ghost"
-1971 Schwinn "Apple Krate"
-1971 Schwinn "Pea Picker" - Disc
-1972 Schwinn "Apple Krate" - Disc
-1972 Schwinn "Fastback"

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2012, 06:50:19 AM »
Edit, The picture you posted is a bit too small for my middle aged eyes to make out the Pogo post that clearly.   ::)

If you left click on it it will expand.
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2012, 10:23:47 AM »

If you left click on it it will expand.

Still can't make out a Pogo post. Gettin old.

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2012, 10:52:41 AM »
When the original seat brace broke at the seat hole, Schwinn would replace the seat brace, seat, and seat post.
The extra movement in the suspension seat post caused the seat brace to break. We would replace these parts and destroy the seat post per Schwinn's instructions. I don't remember how many I changed, but I could have "lunch money" if I had save them. That's been over 40 years ago folks. Look in the parts books. Schwinn never had Sissy Bars on Krates or Pogo seat posts. Just Technical. :D :D :D 
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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2012, 06:42:38 PM »
I would have to agree that an decent original Cotton is the hardest to find...at least it was for me. Seems like Ghosts come up a lot more often,although they are not very easy to find with decent paint either...

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2012, 07:41:16 PM »

See photo original paint 68 Krate with dealer added front fender as 68's didn't come with them.
Tony

Just re-examined at that pic. The fit of that fender is the closest to the tire I have seen. I like that better than those that are 3-4 inches up.

Do you have a close up of that?

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Re: Krate values, which fruit is more desirable?
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 06:31:41 PM »

Ghost being most valuable
Cotton Picker next
Pea Picker
Lemon Peeler
Apple Krate
Orange being least

I would go with almost the same

Cotton and Ghost
Lemon and Pea
Apple and Orange
then the Sunset Orange as the rarest